Comments on: Twitter Evolves #nextstep http://www.ayman-naaman.net/2009/08/21/twitter-evolves/ Social Media is Made of People! Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:51:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Annotations (Twitter reads the Ayman and Naaman Show?) › The Ayman and Naaman Show http://www.ayman-naaman.net/2009/08/21/twitter-evolves/comment-page-1/#comment-1043 Annotations (Twitter reads the Ayman and Naaman Show?) › The Ayman and Naaman Show Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:50:01 +0000 http://www.ayman-naaman.net/?p=345#comment-1043 [...] very close to what I asked for. Of course, there are the Machine-tag skeptics but they just need a good moment alone with Aaron [...] [...] very close to what I asked for. Of course, there are the Machine-tag skeptics but they just need a good moment alone with Aaron [...]

]]> By: Joe McCarthy http://www.ayman-naaman.net/2009/08/21/twitter-evolves/comment-page-1/#comment-986 Joe McCarthy Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:29:02 +0000 http://www.ayman-naaman.net/?p=345#comment-986 Well, I think Twitter is almost ready to take over the web. A recent spate of new followers on my Twitter account (<a href="http://twitter.com/gumption" rel="nofollow">@gumption</a>) all had 10,000+ followers and were following 10,000+ other Twitter users. Upon examining one of their tweetstreams, I saw one of them promoting a service, <a href="http://twitterway.net" rel="nofollow">twitterway.net</a> (aka followe.rs), a "reciprocal following system" that promises "automated followers and automated cash". From what I can gather, when you sign up for the service, the service immediately adds all current subscribers to your Twitter follower list, and all of them are added as followers of your Twitter account. This commoditization of followers suggests the beginning (or continuation) of an arms race that will rival the manipulations that SEOs use to gain greater Google PageRank ... and it doesn't appear restricted to adult-material spammers. Well, I think Twitter is almost ready to take over the web. A recent spate of new followers on my Twitter account (@gumption) all had 10,000+ followers and were following 10,000+ other Twitter users. Upon examining one of their tweetstreams, I saw one of them promoting a service, twitterway.net (aka followe.rs), a “reciprocal following system” that promises “automated followers and automated cash”. From what I can gather, when you sign up for the service, the service immediately adds all current subscribers to your Twitter follower list, and all of them are added as followers of your Twitter account.

This commoditization of followers suggests the beginning (or continuation) of an arms race that will rival the manipulations that SEOs use to gain greater Google PageRank … and it doesn’t appear restricted to adult-material spammers.

]]> By: Dean Eckles http://www.ayman-naaman.net/2009/08/21/twitter-evolves/comment-page-1/#comment-793 Dean Eckles Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:25:04 +0000 http://www.ayman-naaman.net/?p=345#comment-793 Hard to disagree: ZoneTag was visionary :-) Interesting to think about how different tag structures create different spaces for conversation. I wonder how optimal (conceptual) size of a tag for conversation changes with the size of the network. Hard to disagree: ZoneTag was visionary :-)

Interesting to think about how different tag structures create different spaces for conversation. I wonder how optimal (conceptual) size of a tag for conversation changes with the size of the network.

]]> By: naaman http://www.ayman-naaman.net/2009/08/21/twitter-evolves/comment-page-1/#comment-785 naaman Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:18:08 +0000 http://www.ayman-naaman.net/?p=345#comment-785 Hey Raphaël, first of all apologies, your comment had to be fished out of the Spam pool. Too many links for the Spam detector, I guess! Interesting - I certainly didn't know about all these. However, I am pretty sure you know what I would say about commontag.org... I like my triples free like the wind! (well, they can be represented in some well-defined format, but should not be exclusively tied to any specific "well-defined concepts" - yes, a la tags. :) Hey Raphaël, first of all apologies, your comment had to be fished out of the Spam pool. Too many links for the Spam detector, I guess!

Interesting – I certainly didn’t know about all these. However, I am pretty sure you know what I would say about commontag.org… I like my triples free like the wind! (well, they can be represented in some well-defined format, but should not be exclusively tied to any specific “well-defined concepts” – yes, a la tags. :)

]]> By: Raphael Troncy (rtroncy) 's status on Friday, 21-Aug-09 22:59:49 UTC - Identi.ca http://www.ayman-naaman.net/2009/08/21/twitter-evolves/comment-page-1/#comment-781 Raphael Troncy (rtroncy) 's status on Friday, 21-Aug-09 22:59:49 UTC - Identi.ca Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.ayman-naaman.net/?p=345#comment-781 [...] http://www.ayman-naaman.net/2009/08/21/twitter-evolves/comment-page-1/ [...] [...] http://www.ayman-naaman.net/2009/08/21/twitter-evolves/comment-page-1/ [...]

]]> By: Raphaël Troncy http://www.ayman-naaman.net/2009/08/21/twitter-evolves/comment-page-1/#comment-780 Raphaël Troncy Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:56:31 +0000 http://www.ayman-naaman.net/?p=345#comment-780 Ayman, Mor, Have you heard about SemanticTweet? (http://blog.semantictweet.com/) http://semantictweet.com/ is a first step. Your followers represented in FOAF + support of geonames. Toby Inkster [1,2] went one step further with the Micro Turtle proposal (mttl). See [3] for the spec and [4] for examples on identi.ca or [5] for the IRC bot. Basically, all your tweets represented in a triple format (yes, like RDF, but encoded in the turtle syntax) ... and, if you use the hashtag #mttl, then they automatically feed a triple store with a SPARQL endpoint. Wouldn't be great if all hashtags were actually common tags [6] (yes, a la flickr machine tags)? [1] http://tobyinkster.co.uk/ [2] http://identi.ca/tobyink/ [3] http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/microturtle/spec [4] http://identi.ca/tobyink/tag/mttl [5] http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/ [6] http://www.commontag.org/ Ayman, Mor,

Have you heard about SemanticTweet? (http://blog.semantictweet.com/)
http://semantictweet.com/ is a first step. Your followers represented in FOAF + support of geonames.

Toby Inkster [1,2] went one step further with the Micro Turtle proposal (mttl). See [3] for the spec and [4] for examples on identi.ca or [5] for the IRC bot. Basically, all your tweets represented in a triple format (yes, like RDF, but encoded in the turtle syntax) … and, if you use the hashtag #mttl, then they automatically feed a triple store with a SPARQL endpoint.

Wouldn’t be great if all hashtags were actually common tags [6] (yes, a la flickr machine tags)?

[1] http://tobyinkster.co.uk/
[2] http://identi.ca/tobyink/
[3] http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/microturtle/spec
[4] http://identi.ca/tobyink/tag/mttl
[5] http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/
[6] http://www.commontag.org/

]]> By: naaman http://www.ayman-naaman.net/2009/08/21/twitter-evolves/comment-page-1/#comment-779 naaman Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:16:29 +0000 http://www.ayman-naaman.net/?p=345#comment-779 Well, i think you are talking about namespaces and hierarchies. As in, Twitter should support a certain sets of tags that are well-defined namespaces, like geographic entities. When you have that, you can have relationships between the concepts (e.g., subsumes). Well, i think you are talking about namespaces and hierarchies. As in, Twitter should support a certain sets of tags that are well-defined namespaces, like geographic entities. When you have that, you can have relationships between the concepts (e.g., subsumes).

]]> By: ayman http://www.ayman-naaman.net/2009/08/21/twitter-evolves/comment-page-1/#comment-778 ayman Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:59:58 +0000 http://www.ayman-naaman.net/?p=345#comment-778 Tags on twitter generally follow a theme, idea or concept. I think this is similar to Geo in many aspects. Where you say 'San Fran" I say "SF". When you say "Williamsburg" I know you mean NYC. Or which #MOMA is which #MOMA. I'd like to see a concept similar to Where on Earth (WOE) http://developer.yahoo.com/geo/geoplanet/guide/concepts.html applied to tags from Twitter. But I'm not sure what to call it aside from WTF. Tags on twitter generally follow a theme, idea or concept. I think this is similar to Geo in many aspects. Where you say ‘San Fran” I say “SF”. When you say “Williamsburg” I know you mean NYC. Or which #MOMA is which #MOMA. I’d like to see a concept similar to Where on Earth (WOE) http://developer.yahoo.com/geo/geoplanet/guide/concepts.html applied to tags from Twitter. But I’m not sure what to call it aside from WTF.

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