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		<title>By: Teaching &#8220;Social Media&#8221;: Open for Suggestions! &#8250; The Ayman and Naaman Show</title>
		<link>http://www.ayman-naaman.net/2009/01/04/teaching-retrieval-what-to-leave-out/comment-page-1/#comment-760</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching &#8220;Social Media&#8221;: Open for Suggestions! &#8250; The Ayman and Naaman Show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the open teaching tradition I started last January, I am going to ask the dear reader of this blog for input. What do you think a social media class [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Class Edits Wikipedia: How Not to Win New Editors &#8250; The Ayman and Naaman Show</title>
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		<dc:creator>Class Edits Wikipedia: How Not to Win New Editors &#8250; The Ayman and Naaman Show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (I&#8217;d probably scratch &#8220;electronic&#8221; from the class name sometime soon). I had mentioned the class before as I was planning it. It&#8217;s about teaching undergrads about information retrieval, e.g. Web [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (I&#8217;d probably scratch &#8220;electronic&#8221; from the class name sometime soon). I had mentioned the class before as I was planning it. It&#8217;s about teaching undergrads about information retrieval, e.g. Web [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Google&#8217;s Technology Statement: &#8220;Importance&#8221; over Time &#8250; The Ayman and Naaman Show</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google&#8217;s Technology Statement: &#8220;Importance&#8221; over Time &#8250; The Ayman and Naaman Show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when preparing my class on Retrieving and Evaluating Electronic Information (here&#8217;s my previous post on planning the class). Covering the topic of bias in search engines, and in particular Google, we talked about how [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] when preparing my class on Retrieving and Evaluating Electronic Information (here&#8217;s my previous post on planning the class). Covering the topic of bias in search engines, and in particular Google, we talked about how [...]</p>
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		<title>By: naaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>naaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good pointer, thanks - I&#039;ll check van Rijsbergen. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll be getting into the evaluation, though. It is just an undergraduate class. It&#039;s definitely a topic covered in the graduate IR class at SCILS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good pointer, thanks &#8211; I&#8217;ll check van Rijsbergen. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be getting into the evaluation, though. It is just an undergraduate class. It&#8217;s definitely a topic covered in the graduate IR class at SCILS.</p>
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		<title>By: Ofer Egozi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ofer Egozi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to reading about insights gathered in the process...

To take Ryan&#039;s idea further, I&#039;d also distinguish IR from Data Retrieval, using Keith van Rijsbergen&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/Keith/Chapter.1/Ch.1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;classic introduction&lt;/a&gt;.

Additionally, I think one of the fascinating academic aspects of IR in the web era is that of &lt;b&gt;large-scale evaluation&lt;/b&gt;. 
Similar to talking about Wikipedia, which demonstrates the, say, &quot;explicit&quot; wisdom of the crowds, you could talk about web search evaluation (and also website analytics in general) as a task that spawned a whole set of sub-fields that glean info from huge amounts of query logs, such as result quality, query rewrites (synonyms, spellcheck...) and advertising bids. 
It also boosted the concept of A/B testing as a viable and successful scientific methodology, and you probably remember Ben Schneiderman&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://alteregozi.com/2008/12/19/ibm-ir-seminar-highlights-part-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;take&lt;/a&gt; on that :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to reading about insights gathered in the process&#8230;</p>
<p>To take Ryan&#8217;s idea further, I&#8217;d also distinguish IR from Data Retrieval, using Keith van Rijsbergen&#8217;s <a href="http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/Keith/Chapter.1/Ch.1.html" rel="nofollow">classic introduction</a>.</p>
<p>Additionally, I think one of the fascinating academic aspects of IR in the web era is that of <b>large-scale evaluation</b>.<br />
Similar to talking about Wikipedia, which demonstrates the, say, &#8220;explicit&#8221; wisdom of the crowds, you could talk about web search evaluation (and also website analytics in general) as a task that spawned a whole set of sub-fields that glean info from huge amounts of query logs, such as result quality, query rewrites (synonyms, spellcheck&#8230;) and advertising bids.<br />
It also boosted the concept of A/B testing as a viable and successful scientific methodology, and you probably remember Ben Schneiderman&#8217;s <a href="http://alteregozi.com/2008/12/19/ibm-ir-seminar-highlights-part-2/" rel="nofollow">take</a> on that <img src='http://www.ayman-naaman.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were teaching such a class, I would start by trying to frame the whole endeavor of IR in broad terms. It&#039;s so easy to lose track of the big picture once you start delving into the specifics of IR. In particular, I would have them read excerpts from Patrick Wilson&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/191985510&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Two Kinds of Power&lt;/a&gt;, which distinguishes between the power to retrieve documents matching a description and the power to retrieve documents that fit a purpose. The former is amenable to automation, but the latter is not. The heart of IR is the struggle to make the former serve the latter, and no one has expressed it better than Wilson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were teaching such a class, I would start by trying to frame the whole endeavor of IR in broad terms. It&#8217;s so easy to lose track of the big picture once you start delving into the specifics of IR. In particular, I would have them read excerpts from Patrick Wilson&#8217;s <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/191985510" rel="nofollow">Two Kinds of Power</a>, which distinguishes between the power to retrieve documents matching a description and the power to retrieve documents that fit a purpose. The former is amenable to automation, but the latter is not. The heart of IR is the struggle to make the former serve the latter, and no one has expressed it better than Wilson.</p>
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		<title>By: ayman</title>
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		<dc:creator>ayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best course changes their and your perceptions.  :-)</description>
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